Hawkeye

Hawkeye · 01-23-2010, 4:08 PM

Just new here, and I'm looking at getting a new GPS for my bike as the Garmin S/P 2610 is too old to update the maps. Not liking what I see and hear about the newer ones for the bike either. Talk soon.

MTalvola · 01-23-2010, 4:24 PM

Pierce?

HumVee · 01-23-2010, 4:40 PM

Hello, Hawkeye. Considering the size of the Garmin StreetPilot 2610, I assume you're a fellow motorcyclist, not a bicyclist. Sorry to hear you don't like the zūmo 660 / zūmo 665. Andy & I (& others) agree that the zūmo 220 that was just announced is ridiculously overpriced - at least in regards to the MSRP. We'll have to see what the actually street prices are like. The zūmo 550 is still available, and is highly regarded (except some complaints regarding the cradle design, which the z6xx series fixed).

If you don't need Bluetooth and media player, and don't care about widescreen, why not consider the nüvi 500 / nüvi 550? The n500 has preloaded topographical maps & City Navigator North America, but only the lower 48 states. The n550 has City Navigator North America (but no topo). Both are solid and versatile units, and IPX7 water/dust resistance rated just like the zumos. Judging by your location, you'd likely be happier with the N550. They're also reasonably priced - but you will have to get the RAM Mounting Kit and Universal Mounting kit with power cable if you want to wire it up to your bike.

Hawkeye · 01-24-2010, 8:54 PM

Hi Humvee,
I was looking at the zumo 660, as my next one sort of. I haven't done a lot of research on it yet. I don't know if it has both a battery and power hook up or not. I did read that the battery is only good for 5 hrs. That's not a lot of time on a long trip, like 8 Hrs run a day. So I'm at that point there. I was also thinking of looking around to see if any of the other makes do the job without being waterproof etc. As I can always tie a baggie around it when it rains. So I'm still open minded.
Also the map updates give me the jitters now that I've been burnt. Are the rest going to jump on the wagon too to only give you a three yr update? Very good question don't you think? Hawkeye.

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Originally Posted by HumVee

Hello, Hawkeye. Considering the size of the Garmin StreetPilot 2610, I assume you're a fellow motorcyclist, not a bicyclist. Sorry to hear you don't like the zūmo 660 / zūmo 665. Andy & I (& others) agree that the zūmo 220 that was just announced is ridiculously overpriced - at least in regards to the MSRP. We'll have to see what the actually street prices are like. The zūmo 550 is still available, and is highly regarded (except some complaints regarding the cradle design, which the z6xx series fixed).

If you don't need Bluetooth and media player, and don't care about widescreen, why not consider the nüvi 500 / nüvi 550? The n500 has preloaded topographical maps & City Navigator North America, but only the lower 48 states. The n550 has City Navigator North America (but no topo). Both are solid and versatile units, and IPX7 water/dust resistance rated just like the zumos. Judging by your location, you'd likely be happier with the N550. They're also reasonably priced - but you will have to get the RAM Mounting Kit and Universal Mounting kit with power cable if you want to wire it up to your bike.

HumVee · 01-24-2010, 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Hi Humvee,
I was looking at the zumo 660, as my next one sort of. I haven't done a lot of research on it yet. I don't know if it has both a battery and power hook up or not. I did read that the battery is only good for 5 hrs. That's not a lot of time on a long trip, like 8 Hrs run a day. So I'm at that point there. I was also thinking of looking around to see if any of the other makes do the job without being waterproof etc. As I can always tie a baggie around it when it rains. So I'm still open minded.

Also the map updates give me the jitters now that I've been burnt. Are the rest going to jump on the wagon too to only give you a three yr update? Very good question don't you think? Hawkeye.

The z660 (in fact, all the zumos) comes with everything you need to wire up straight to the motorcycle's 12v battery. It took me 15 minutes - but that was with me drilling holes in my instrument cluster to do a custom mounting job. It would take you about 5 minutes to actually figure out the best path to route your power cable from the motorcycle mount clamped to your handlebar (standard installation method) down the steering column, under the tank and to your battery! I didn't even have to unbolt my tank. Of course, every motorcycle model is different - but really, this isn't a hard thing to do. Just make sure the red lead goes to the positive terminal on the battery, and the black lead goes to the negative terminal or grounds to the bike frame (I chose to do a direct connection).

With the mount wired to the bike's electrical system, you have indefinite driving distance while also recharging your zumo. Then you're only using it on battery if you happen to need to use it on foot to find landmarks in a city or something. The battery is user replaceable, and very easy to get to (a door latch pops the hatch), and I carry a spare battery in my tank bag...but have never needed it. The nuvi 550 has 8 hours run time on battery, if you need more time on battery power while on foot (and it's smaller size would be more portable).

I took photos when I mounted my zumo to my bike, but I can't find them to post right now. But you should check out Max's photos he posted: Garmin Zumo 660 Unboxing

MTalvola · 01-25-2010, 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Also the map updates give me the jitters now that I've been burnt. Are the rest going to jump on the wagon too to only give you a three yr update? Very good question don't you think?

Garmin is perhaps the best out there for supporting their old units with current map updates. I know you said your 2610 let you down in that area, but I don't know much about that unit. Why can't you update it? Is it because you can't store all of City Navigator North America at once?

For the units that CAN store the entire map at once, Garmin has pretty good longevity. I got my first "all inclusive" map GPS four years ago, a SP 2720. Garmin has had units like this out for at least five years. The important thing is to look and notice that the very NEWEST Garmins are still using the same map format, so it had BETTER be around for years to come. If not, Garmin will have some pretty pissed off and very recent customers if they change the map compatibility. I just updated my 3+ year old Nuvi to version 2010.40 with my lifetime nuMap subscription along with everyone else who updated their brand new Nuvis. I think you'll be okay for quite some time buying a new Garmin.

HumVee · 01-25-2010, 10:18 AM

MTalvola, brings up a good point, Hawkeye. Also, his method of checking to see what the very latest Garmin GPS unit's map formats are makes good sense. The City Navigator NT roadmap format looks like it will stick around for a while. It's extremely unlikely that Garmin would release a brand new GPS unit, and then the next year announce that they are retiring the map format that is used in that GPS unit. With that said, it's not unreasonable that a GPS maker would have to update their mapping format from time to time - otherwise there would be no way to add new features that hadn't been invisioned when the current mapping format was coded....

MTalvola · 01-25-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HumVee

otherwise there would be no way to add new features that hadn't been invisioned when the current mapping format was coded....

Not necessarily. That extra stuff can be added on in separate/selectable layers to an existing base map format. Garmin's 3D buildings and Lane Assist features are layered (in separate files, as I read) over the standard City Navigator Map/update. That's how my old Nuvi can still utilize the "no frills" map updates and not try to access newer stuff that won't work on it, but the owners of new Nuvis can because their MyGarmin account detected and recorded the model of their GPS when it was registered. The new can still be made to work with the old...

HumVee · 01-25-2010, 12:13 PM

Sure, but there has to be "hooks" into the primary mapping database that allows you to correlate the additional data with the main data. Otherwise, your supplemental database would be just as big as the primary, with the need to duplicate coordinate information and everything wouldn't it? Since the "gmap3d.img" file for CN North America NT is only 115 MB in size, I would guess that the primary map has a data field that says "3d object here, ref id # n" and then that object is fetched when needed for the map view. Since I'm not a programmer, that's just a guess on my part. My point is that the NT base map must have a field designated for such data, that wouldn't have been in the non-NT map data sets because 3D buildings weren't envisioned as a desired feature when planning for the pre-NT map design was done.

MTalvola · 01-25-2010, 1:16 PM

I don't know how they do it, either. My point was they CAN add new features and still keep compatibility with older/existing units using the same basic City Navigator maps/updates.

HumVee · 01-25-2010, 4:32 PM

I could be way off base, but my argument I'm trying to make is that Garmin may have had to abandon City Navigator in favor of City Navigator NT precisely because the new features they wanted to implement couldn't be done while keeping compatibility with the older map format. Typically, compatibility for older systems can be designed into new devices - but there's no way to add compatibility to an old system, unless it was allowed for in the original design. A StreetPilot 2720 (or newer Garmin GPS like a nuvi) can use City Navigator and City Navigator NT maps, but an older model (like a StreetPilot 2620 can only use the older City Navigator maps, and therefore can't use City Navigator NT updates). This causes issues when people like Hawkeye are happy with their existing older model, yet can't find new updates for it - Garmin has moved on, and has no interest in trying to provide updates for both the older and newer map formats (they'd much rather enourage you to buy the new products).

Hawkeye · 01-25-2010, 8:24 PM

Yes Humvee,
I think you hit the nail on the head. The s/p 2610 does not have the NT software in it, and that's the reason it can't be updated. And of course from a business point of view, this is one ways of making the consumer upgrade by purchasing a new one. BUT, how long will Garmin support the NT Software? I have been retired too long and forget to look at it in a marketing way. I did read about the N660 and was wondering, if all the bugs have been fixed yet? Do you know or one of the other members here? And does the 660 have a 12v power cord for hook-up as well? Thanks. Hawkeye.

quote=HumVee;17805]I could be way off base, but my argument I'm trying to make is that Garmin may have had to abandon City Navigator in favor of City Navigator NT precisely because the new features they wanted to implement couldn't be done while keeping compatibility with the older map format. Typically, compatibility for older systems can be designed into new devices - but there's no way to add compatibility to an old system, unless it was allowed for in the original design. A StreetPilot 2720 (or newer Garmin GPS like a nuvi) can use City Navigator and City Navigator NT maps, but an older model (like a StreetPilot 2620 can only use the older City Navigator maps, and therefore can't use City Navigator NT updates). This causes issues when people like Hawkeye are happy with their existing older model, yet can't find new updates for it - Garmin has moved on, and has no interest in trying to provide updates for both the older and newer map formats (they'd much rather enourage you to buy the new products).[/quote]

HumVee · 01-25-2010, 8:47 PM

Max and I both have zumo 660's. We're also both toying with the idea of upgrading to the zumo 665 in order to get XM Satellite radio, traffic & weather radar capabilities - that's assuming someone doesn't figure out a way to load the z665 firmware onto the z600's.

Yes, the z660 comes with both a motorcycle mount with power lead to the battery, and a car mount & car power adapter. In addition, you also get the actual City Navigator North America NT DVD (which allows you to install the detail map and MapSource onto your computer, which helps with planning trips, managing routes and waypoints). All these items help to account for the high cost of the motorcycle marketed zumo's - though critics will still complain that the cost is still too high. When you've (arguably) got the best game in town, I suppose you can charge what you think the market will bear....

I still experience occassional lockups - but not everyone reports this problem. I haven't had any opportunity to really test out the new City Navigator North America NT 2010.4 update to see if it helps. I suspect that it's a combination of map data and firmware that's causing these hiccups for me, so I keep updating the the latest versions of both in hopes of resolving this one operational complaint of mine.

Note: You referenced n660 in your reply to me. There is a nuvi 660, but it isn't waterproof and not marketed for motorcycles (and doesn't come with all the goodies). zumo's are the waterproof models intended for exposure to the elements - with the rare exception of the nuvi 500 & nuvi 550. Perhaps Garmin should have called them zumos, to keep all the waterproof vehicle GPS units in the same product line...but they didn't!

Hawkeye · 02-02-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MTalvola

Garmin is perhaps the best out there for supporting their old units with current map updates. I know you said your 2610 let you down in that area, but I don't know much about that unit. Why can't you update it? Is it because you can't store all of City Navigator North America at once?

For the units that CAN store the entire map at once, Garmin has pretty good longevity. I got my first "all inclusive" map GPS four years ago, a SP 2720. Garmin has had units like this out for at least five years. The important thing is to look and notice that the very NEWEST Garmins are still using the same map format, so it had BETTER be around for years to come. If not, Garmin will have some pretty pissed off and very recent customers if they change the map compatibility. I just updated my 3+ year old Nuvi to version 2010.40 with my lifetime nuMap subscription along with everyone else who updated their brand new Nuvis. I think you'll be okay for quite some time buying a new Garmin.

MTalvola:
Well the S/P 2610 has a external Card slot for extra memory. It is set up for up to 2G card. Now up to a couple of years ago the software totaled only to 1.5 Gs. So there was no memory problem, which I liked about the unit.
But this units software was not the NT format, and I don't know why. Where now it is NT formated software.

MTalvola · 02-02-2010, 12:18 PM

Hawkeye, maybe you mentioned it earlier in this thread, but have you tried contacting Garmin about a map update and/or if there is some conversion to get the newer NT stuff to work with your 2610? 2GB is plenty of room as the entire City Navigator North America NT map is about 1.2GB.

My comment about "map longevity" was in response to yours about buying a new Garmin and getting left behind. All the Nuvis use NT and that includes the very newest ones being sold today. That gives me a "warm fuzzy" this map format SHOULD be supported for years to come. I just can't see them leaving all those recent customers high and dry with relatively new units and no way to update. But, Garmin sometimes does things that are pretty

HumVee · 02-02-2010, 2:35 PM

Sorry guys, but I'm a little bit confused by this discussion....

The Garmin StreetPilot 2610 is one of the last generations of Garmin GPS road map units that used the older style "City Navigator" maps, while the StreetPilot 2720 marked Garmin's usage of the new format "City Navigator NT" maps that we still use today. As such, I don't see how Hawkeye will be able to get updated maps from Garmin that will work with his 2610....

MTalvola · 02-02-2010, 2:38 PM

If only he'd bought it at Costco...

Still, I wonder if a full DVD version, with Mapsource, would allow sections (or the entire thing) to be selected and sent to the unit with some sort of auto-format feature once it "finds" the 2610. If Mapsource can even detect it in the first place, but it seems like it should be able to do that. But, it's also a good way to piss $60-70 away if it doesn't work. I'd still ask Garmin about it and, as I always say...can't hurt to try.

HumVee · 02-02-2010, 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTalvola

Still, I wonder if a full DVD version, with Mapsource, would allow sections (or the entire thing) to be selected and sent to the unit with some sort of auto-format feature once it "finds" the 2610. If Mapsource can even detect it in the first place, but it seems like it should be able to do that.

Since the City Navigator NT map has to be keyed to a Garmin GPS serial number, I wonder if it would even work (or if you would end up locking an incompatible product to a serial number, and then not be able to use the map with a new GPS unit that was subsequently purchased to replace the 2610). Best to post the question to Garmin Support - but I would think that the product simply won't be compatible....

MTalvola · 02-02-2010, 3:47 PM

Yeah, best to just ask Garmin before HumVee loses it and goes all Heat00 on me for beating a dead horse.

HumVee · 02-02-2010, 4:19 PM

ROFL!!!

I'm glad we can poke at each other without going all psycho!

MTalvola · 02-02-2010, 4:30 PM

Sure seems like sometimes we're the only ones with any sense of humor.

MTalvola · 02-03-2010, 8:17 AM

SPAM ALERT!

Hawkeye · 02-08-2010, 8:09 PM

Well guys,
I have to do my homework and really get into this and find out all I can so that this doesn't happen again. I'm going to take a trip on my great big Goldwing bike over to Des Moine IA USA and from there up to Lumsden Sask., and then back along the Trans Canada Hwy. The Club [GWRRA] is having there annual Wing ding do over at Des Moine IA, and I figured I might as well continue up to Sask. to check out my Family Tree. So it should give the new one a good work out. I'm not sure if I should get blue tooth in it as well! I might run into some fun stuff with a full helmet on that's all. I'll be watching the forum as the time flies by. Thanks guys.

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SPAM ALERT!

HumVee · 02-08-2010, 8:29 PM

Hawkeye, did you decide to purchase a new GPS unit? Or stick with your 2610? I think you're saying that you're looking at getting a new unit, maybe one with built-in Bluetooth? If so, do you already have a Bluetooth enabled helmet, or is that a seperate discussion?

If you have any questions on the zumos, let me know!

Hawkeye · 02-12-2010, 8:05 PM

No HumVee,
my helmet is not a bluetooth as far as I know. My helmet is a full faced Nolan with the front pullup, and the plugin ear pieces for the handlebar CB.
I thought that I might pickup the GPS down in DesMoines IA at my clubs due called Wing Ding on June 30th - July 3rd. I have to find out if it is cheaper there than here, and does the warranty still hold good up here in Canada. And is putting out the money now for use later any better. So all these problems that come about. I would just like to get some usage out of this unit rather than always upgrading the model. This is getting to be as bad as the PC Computer for upgrading. I think I will put the s/p 2610 in the car and that will fix that.

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Originally Posted by HumVee

Hawkeye, did you decide to purchase a new GPS unit? Or stick with your 2610? I think you're saying that you're looking at getting a new unit, maybe one with built-in Bluetooth? If so, do you already have a Bluetooth enabled helmet, or is that a seperate discussion?

If you have any questions on the zumos, let me know!

HumVee · 02-13-2010, 4:34 AM

Sounds like a solution! Thanks for checking in!

01-23-2010, 4:08 PM	#1
Hawkeye Join Date: Jan 01 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario Canada Age: 72 Posts: 6	Hawkeye Just new here, and I'm looking at getting a new GPS for my bike as the Garmin S/P 2610 is too old to update the maps. Not liking what I see and hear about the newer ones for the bike either. Talk soon.

01-23-2010, 4:24 PM	#2
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye Pierce?

01-23-2010, 4:40 PM	#3
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Hello, Hawkeye. Considering the size of the Garmin StreetPilot 2610, I assume you're a fellow motorcyclist, not a bicyclist. Sorry to hear you don't like the zūmo 660 / zūmo 665. Andy & I (& others) agree that the zūmo 220 that was just announced is ridiculously overpriced - at least in regards to the MSRP. We'll have to see what the actually street prices are like. The zūmo 550 is still available, and is highly regarded (except some complaints regarding the cradle design, which the z6xx series fixed). If you don't need Bluetooth and media player, and don't care about widescreen, why not consider the nüvi 500 / nüvi 550? The n500 has preloaded topographical maps & City Navigator North America, but only the lower 48 states. The n550 has City Navigator North America (but no topo). Both are solid and versatile units, and IPX7 water/dust resistance rated just like the zumos. Judging by your location, you'd likely be happier with the N550. They're also reasonably priced - but you will have to get the RAM Mounting Kit and Universal Mounting kit with power cable if you want to wire it up to your bike.

01-25-2010, 10:18 AM	#7
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye MTalvola, brings up a good point, Hawkeye. Also, his method of checking to see what the very latest Garmin GPS unit's map formats are makes good sense. The City Navigator NT roadmap format looks like it will stick around for a while. It's extremely unlikely that Garmin would release a brand new GPS unit, and then the next year announce that they are retiring the map format that is used in that GPS unit. With that said, it's not unreasonable that a GPS maker would have to update their mapping format from time to time - otherwise there would be no way to add new features that hadn't been invisioned when the current mapping format was coded....

01-25-2010, 12:13 PM	#9
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Sure, but there has to be "hooks" into the primary mapping database that allows you to correlate the additional data with the main data. Otherwise, your supplemental database would be just as big as the primary, with the need to duplicate coordinate information and everything wouldn't it? Since the "gmap3d.img" file for CN North America NT is only 115 MB in size, I would guess that the primary map has a data field that says "3d object here, ref id # n" and then that object is fetched when needed for the map view. Since I'm not a programmer, that's just a guess on my part. My point is that the NT base map must have a field designated for such data, that wouldn't have been in the non-NT map data sets because 3D buildings weren't envisioned as a desired feature when planning for the pre-NT map design was done.

01-25-2010, 1:16 PM	#10
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye I don't know how they do it, either. My point was they CAN add new features and still keep compatibility with older/existing units using the same basic City Navigator maps/updates.

01-25-2010, 4:32 PM	#11
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye I could be way off base, but my argument I'm trying to make is that Garmin may have had to abandon City Navigator in favor of City Navigator NT precisely because the new features they wanted to implement couldn't be done while keeping compatibility with the older map format. Typically, compatibility for older systems can be designed into new devices - but there's no way to add compatibility to an old system, unless it was allowed for in the original design. A StreetPilot 2720 (or newer Garmin GPS like a nuvi) can use City Navigator and City Navigator NT maps, but an older model (like a StreetPilot 2620 can only use the older City Navigator maps, and therefore can't use City Navigator NT updates). This causes issues when people like Hawkeye are happy with their existing older model, yet can't find new updates for it - Garmin has moved on, and has no interest in trying to provide updates for both the older and newer map formats (they'd much rather enourage you to buy the new products).

01-25-2010, 8:24 PM	#12
Hawkeye Join Date: Jan 01 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario Canada Age: 72 Posts: 6	Re: Hawkeye Yes Humvee, I think you hit the nail on the head. The s/p 2610 does not have the NT software in it, and that's the reason it can't be updated. And of course from a business point of view, this is one ways of making the consumer upgrade by purchasing a new one. BUT, how long will Garmin support the NT Software? I have been retired too long and forget to look at it in a marketing way. I did read about the N660 and was wondering, if all the bugs have been fixed yet? Do you know or one of the other members here? And does the 660 have a 12v power cord for hook-up as well? Thanks. Hawkeye. quote=HumVee;17805]I could be way off base, but my argument I'm trying to make is that Garmin may have had to abandon City Navigator in favor of City Navigator NT precisely because the new features they wanted to implement couldn't be done while keeping compatibility with the older map format. Typically, compatibility for older systems can be designed into new devices - but there's no way to add compatibility to an old system, unless it was allowed for in the original design. A StreetPilot 2720 (or newer Garmin GPS like a nuvi) can use City Navigator and City Navigator NT maps, but an older model (like a StreetPilot 2620 can only use the older City Navigator maps, and therefore can't use City Navigator NT updates). This causes issues when people like Hawkeye are happy with their existing older model, yet can't find new updates for it - Garmin has moved on, and has no interest in trying to provide updates for both the older and newer map formats (they'd much rather enourage you to buy the new products).[/quote]

01-25-2010, 8:47 PM	#13
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Max and I both have zumo 660's. We're also both toying with the idea of upgrading to the zumo 665 in order to get XM Satellite radio, traffic & weather radar capabilities - that's assuming someone doesn't figure out a way to load the z665 firmware onto the z600's. Yes, the z660 comes with both a motorcycle mount with power lead to the battery, and a car mount & car power adapter. In addition, you also get the actual City Navigator North America NT DVD (which allows you to install the detail map and MapSource onto your computer, which helps with planning trips, managing routes and waypoints). All these items help to account for the high cost of the motorcycle marketed zumo's - though critics will still complain that the cost is still too high. When you've (arguably) got the best game in town, I suppose you can charge what you think the market will bear.... I still experience occassional lockups - but not everyone reports this problem. I haven't had any opportunity to really test out the new City Navigator North America NT 2010.4 update to see if it helps. I suspect that it's a combination of map data and firmware that's causing these hiccups for me, so I keep updating the the latest versions of both in hopes of resolving this one operational complaint of mine. Note: You referenced n660 in your reply to me. There is a nuvi 660, but it isn't waterproof and not marketed for motorcycles (and doesn't come with all the goodies). zumo's are the waterproof models intended for exposure to the elements - with the rare exception of the nuvi 500 & nuvi 550. Perhaps Garmin should have called them zumos, to keep all the waterproof vehicle GPS units in the same product line...but they didn't!

02-02-2010, 12:18 PM	#15
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye Hawkeye, maybe you mentioned it earlier in this thread, but have you tried contacting Garmin about a map update and/or if there is some conversion to get the newer NT stuff to work with your 2610? 2GB is plenty of room as the entire City Navigator North America NT map is about 1.2GB. My comment about "map longevity" was in response to yours about buying a new Garmin and getting left behind. All the Nuvis use NT and that includes the very newest ones being sold today. That gives me a "warm fuzzy" this map format SHOULD be supported for years to come. I just can't see them leaving all those recent customers high and dry with relatively new units and no way to update. But, Garmin sometimes does things that are pretty

02-02-2010, 2:35 PM	#16
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Sorry guys, but I'm a little bit confused by this discussion.... The Garmin StreetPilot 2610 is one of the last generations of Garmin GPS road map units that used the older style "City Navigator" maps, while the StreetPilot 2720 marked Garmin's usage of the new format "City Navigator NT" maps that we still use today. As such, I don't see how Hawkeye will be able to get updated maps from Garmin that will work with his 2610....

02-02-2010, 2:38 PM	#17
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye If only he'd bought it at Costco... Still, I wonder if a full DVD version, with Mapsource, would allow sections (or the entire thing) to be selected and sent to the unit with some sort of auto-format feature once it "finds" the 2610. If Mapsource can even detect it in the first place, but it seems like it should be able to do that. But, it's also a good way to piss $60-70 away if it doesn't work. I'd still ask Garmin about it and, as I always say...can't hurt to try.

02-02-2010, 3:47 PM	#19
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye Yeah, best to just ask Garmin before HumVee loses it and goes all Heat00 on me for beating a dead horse.

02-02-2010, 4:19 PM	#20
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye ROFL!!! I'm glad we can poke at each other without going all psycho!

02-02-2010, 4:30 PM	#21
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye Sure seems like sometimes we're the only ones with any sense of humor.

02-03-2010, 8:17 AM	#22
MTalvola . Join Date: Jan 21 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 146	Re: Hawkeye SPAM ALERT!

02-08-2010, 8:29 PM	#24
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Hawkeye, did you decide to purchase a new GPS unit? Or stick with your 2610? I think you're saying that you're looking at getting a new unit, maybe one with built-in Bluetooth? If so, do you already have a Bluetooth enabled helmet, or is that a seperate discussion? If you have any questions on the zumos, let me know!

02-13-2010, 4:34 AM	#26
HumVee Join Date: May 11 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,246	Re: Hawkeye Sounds like a solution! Thanks for checking in!